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wondering same thing :help:
wondering same thing :help:
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slorch said:
I believe her "Let them starve" stance may have rubbed some the wrong way.
Imagine that... :crazy:
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You mean?. . . No! :shocked:
I thought the threads a little redundant, like Da Magnator's threads were, but not that dumb of course, and they seemed like related but different subjects. Perhaps the nuance wasn't appreciated.
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slorch said:
I believe her "Let them starve" stance may have rubbed some the wrong way.
Imagine that... :crazy:
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You mean?. . . No! :shocked:
I thought the threads a little redundant, like Da Magnator's threads were, but not that dumb of course, and they seemed like related but different subjects. Perhaps the nuance wasn't appreciated.
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Canes said:
Feel like the predators are playing games with you? :crazy:
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:808918-ot: here, Canes~ I love you, you and WFO your funny pics make me laugh so much :bow: :applause: :lol:
Back OT, you know what they say about opinions right? :rolling:
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Canes said:
Feel like the predators are playing games with you? :crazy:
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:808918-ot: here, Canes~ I love you, you and WFO your funny pics make me laugh so much :bow: :applause: :lol:
Back OT, you know what they say about opinions right? :rolling:
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Doesn't offend me as long as I'm not ousted :wink: :lol:
Doesn't offend me as long as I'm not ousted :wink: :lol:
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So guys do you think it's time to rethink our foreign aid policy?
I think it can't hurt to discuss it. One thing to consider is that as long as we keep feeding them, they'll keep overpopulating. Another is that if they get too developed, they'll compete with us for our oil, like the Chinese are doing. Have you read of the deals they're doing for oil in our back yard? Alberta, Venezuela...that's our oil! Surely our interests aren't best served by a world as developed as the United States.
So guys do you think it's time to rethink our foreign aid policy?
I think it can't hurt to discuss it. One thing to consider is that as long as we keep feeding them, they'll keep overpopulating. Another is that if they get too developed, they'll compete with us for our oil, like the Chinese are doing. Have you read of the deals they're doing for oil in our back yard? Alberta, Venezuela...that's our oil! Surely our interests aren't best served by a world as developed as the United States.
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Surely our interests aren't best served by a world as developed as the United States.
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All men are equal is probably the most tragic concept to ever enter the mind of man.
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Surely our interests aren't best served by a world as developed as the United States.
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All men are equal is probably the most tragic concept to ever enter the mind of man.
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So guys do you think it's time to rethink our foreign aid policy?
I think it can't hurt to discuss it. One thing to consider is that as long as we keep feeding them, they'll keep overpopulating. Another is that if they get too developed, they'll compete with us for our oil, like the Chinese are doing. Have you read of the deals they're doing for oil in our back yard? Alberta, Venezuela...that's our oil! Surely our interests aren't best served by a world as developed as the United States.
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*Not one of the guys but, might I interject.....
You have a valid point TJ, however it seems a tad late in the game to try and change things, that almost might make us look worse than we do already to our neighbors at home and abroad. We will never please anyone at this point, if we give it's not enough if we don't we are evil war mongers and stingy. Primarily what those countries need at this point aside from money is, the resources of manpower to account for the dead and quicker burial methods and lastly medication to prevent an even worse tragedy of highly contagious diseases from going rampant.
But back to your original thought, yes we should have revamped that outdated foreign aid policy sometime ago, simple answers are not easily found. I can't even fathom what we could do that will please everyone in this world but yanking away aid because someone called us *stingy* isn't a solution either :frown:
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TravellinJones said:
So guys do you think it's time to rethink our foreign aid policy?
I think it can't hurt to discuss it. One thing to consider is that as long as we keep feeding them, they'll keep overpopulating. Another is that if they get too developed, they'll compete with us for our oil, like the Chinese are doing. Have you read of the deals they're doing for oil in our back yard? Alberta, Venezuela...that's our oil! Surely our interests aren't best served by a world as developed as the United States.
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*Not one of the guys but, might I interject.....
You have a valid point TJ, however it seems a tad late in the game to try and change things, that almost might make us look worse than we do already to our neighbors at home and abroad. We will never please anyone at this point, if we give it's not enough if we don't we are evil war mongers and stingy. Primarily what those countries need at this point aside from money is, the resources of manpower to account for the dead and quicker burial methods and lastly medication to prevent an even worse tragedy of highly contagious diseases from going rampant.
But back to your original thought, yes we should have revamped that outdated foreign aid policy sometime ago, simple answers are not easily found. I can't even fathom what we could do that will please everyone in this world but yanking away aid because someone called us *stingy* isn't a solution either :frown:
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The UN and the people who kiss it's ass are scared sh!tless.
That is why they are lashing out so. Never has so much open hostility been shown toward a sitting President by other leaders.
Before the election they thought it was Bush. After the election, it is Us as a country now they now hate because, we approve of the Bush they disapprove of.
Through electing Bush, we have collectively told them to shove it up their ass if they don't like. For years there was grumbling about the US getting out of the UN, but it never had legs. Three Dollar Bill Clinton was the President and he and Madeline Albright did nothing else but appease the UN at every turn, so the anti-UNers had no voice. Now through Bush, the UN knows the majority of Americans wants no part of the UN and they are scared. The jig is up and they don't like it. Tough Sh!t!
The UN and the people who kiss it's ass are scared sh!tless.
That is why they are lashing out so. Never has so much open hostility been shown toward a sitting President by other leaders.
Before the election they thought it was Bush. After the election, it is Us as a country now they now hate because, we approve of the Bush they disapprove of.
Through electing Bush, we have collectively told them to shove it up their ass if they don't like. For years there was grumbling about the US getting out of the UN, but it never had legs. Three Dollar Bill Clinton was the President and he and Madeline Albright did nothing else but appease the UN at every turn, so the anti-UNers had no voice. Now through Bush, the UN knows the majority of Americans wants no part of the UN and they are scared. The jig is up and they don't like it. Tough Sh!t!
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Not one of the guys but, might I interject.....
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Emergency disaster aid is a legitimate use of funds. $15 million, that's a lot of money. Or not. I don't know what is adequate. I guess it's like tipping the pizza guy, there's a customary amount. And if the amount initially pledged seems stingy to some who were closer to the scene, perhaps it's because the extent of the catastrophe wasn't immediately known in Washington. Initial reports indicated only a few thousand dead.
Then there are the programs for systematically giving away money. It's like giving welfare queens money to stay home and have kids. So many countries can't support their populations without outside help, but perpetuating the help perpetuates the behavior that makes the help necessary. And if a miracle were to occur and some of these countries actually develop economic muscle, they'd compete with us for the good stuff in life, causing prices to rise and wages to drop as shortages occur.
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Not one of the guys but, might I interject.....
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Emergency disaster aid is a legitimate use of funds. $15 million, that's a lot of money. Or not. I don't know what is adequate. I guess it's like tipping the pizza guy, there's a customary amount. And if the amount initially pledged seems stingy to some who were closer to the scene, perhaps it's because the extent of the catastrophe wasn't immediately known in Washington. Initial reports indicated only a few thousand dead.
Then there are the programs for systematically giving away money. It's like giving welfare queens money to stay home and have kids. So many countries can't support their populations without outside help, but perpetuating the help perpetuates the behavior that makes the help necessary. And if a miracle were to occur and some of these countries actually develop economic muscle, they'd compete with us for the good stuff in life, causing prices to rise and wages to drop as shortages occur.
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The UN may be trying to cover their extreme hatred for the US in some ways but it's still just oh so obvious, especially when they're own people speak out...
Former U.N. International Development Secretary Clare Short says Bush is 'Undermining UN with Aid Coalition'
United States President George Bush was tonight accused of trying to undermine the United Nations by setting up a rival coalition to coordinate relief following the Asian tsunami disaster.
The president has announced that the US, Japan, India and Australia would coordinate the world’s response.
But former International Development Secretary Clare Short said that role should be left to the UN.
“I think this initiative from America to set up four countries claiming to coordinate sounds like yet another attempt to undermine the UN when it is the best system we have got and the one that needs building up,” she said.
“Only really the UN can do that job,” she told BBC Radio Four’s PM programme.
“It is the only body that has the moral authority. But it can only do it well if it is backed up by the authority of the great powers.” I guess Ms. Short didn't pull her head out of the sand long enough to read this story The UN is the only body that has moral authority? And just what morals are they talking about....
Ms Short said the coalition countries did not have good records on responding to international disasters.
She said the US was “very bad at coordinating with anyone” and India had its own problems to deal with. well geewiz lets just not even let anyone else try, let's make sure the corrupt UN contorls it all
“I don’t know what that is about but it sounds very much, I am afraid, like the US trying to have a separate operation and not work with the rest of the world through the UN system,” she added.
This "lady" is off her rocker, and don't think shes only in her whole mindset that the UN should control everything. I've said it before and I'll say it again, kick the UN out of NYC, stop paying them so they can badmouth us and form a new coalition where people don't go around with their nose in the air pretending they have power. Countries don't need the UN to sign treaties/pacts/work together/ect ect....
The UN may be trying to cover their extreme hatred for the US in some ways but it's still just oh so obvious, especially when they're own people speak out...
Former U.N. International Development Secretary Clare Short says Bush is 'Undermining UN with Aid Coalition'
United States President George Bush was tonight accused of trying to undermine the United Nations by setting up a rival coalition to coordinate relief following the Asian tsunami disaster.
The president has announced that the US, Japan, India and Australia would coordinate the world’s response.
But former International Development Secretary Clare Short said that role should be left to the UN.
“I think this initiative from America to set up four countries claiming to coordinate sounds like yet another attempt to undermine the UN when it is the best system we have got and the one that needs building up,” she said.
“Only really the UN can do that job,” she told BBC Radio Four’s PM programme.
“It is the only body that has the moral authority. But it can only do it well if it is backed up by the authority of the great powers.” I guess Ms. Short didn't pull her head out of the sand long enough to read this story The UN is the only body that has moral authority? And just what morals are they talking about....
Ms Short said the coalition countries did not have good records on responding to international disasters.
She said the US was “very bad at coordinating with anyone” and India had its own problems to deal with. well geewiz lets just not even let anyone else try, let's make sure the corrupt UN contorls it all
“I don’t know what that is about but it sounds very much, I am afraid, like the US trying to have a separate operation and not work with the rest of the world through the UN system,” she added.
This "lady" is off her rocker, and don't think shes only in her whole mindset that the UN should control everything. I've said it before and I'll say it again, kick the UN out of NYC, stop paying them so they can badmouth us and form a new coalition where people don't go around with their nose in the air pretending they have power. Countries don't need the UN to sign treaties/pacts/work together/ect ect....
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It may or may not be true but I heard on some local talk radio show today that American Citizens have privately giving $18million to the redcross for the tsunami relief (or it might of been this past year, i dont know) and that our citizens private donations were more than any other country's governments donations. Again, could be true, might not be, maybe I heard part of it wrong.
It may or may not be true but I heard on some local talk radio show today that American Citizens have privately giving $18million to the redcross for the tsunami relief (or it might of been this past year, i dont know) and that our citizens private donations were more than any other country's governments donations. Again, could be true, might not be, maybe I heard part of it wrong.
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The UN may be trying to cover their extreme hatred for the US in some ways but it's still just oh so obvious, especially when they're own people speak out...
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They can't skim some (most) of them money off into their own pockets like they did with the Oil for Food scam and they are pissed.
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ENP83 said:
The UN may be trying to cover their extreme hatred for the US in some ways but it's still just oh so obvious, especially when they're own people speak out...
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They can't skim some (most) of them money off into their own pockets like they did with the Oil for Food scam and they are pissed.
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To speak for the "other" side, based on history, isolationist policies have typically resulted in more harm than good in the long run and are more impractical--nigh on impossible--than ever in the present world.
Perhaps the greatest lesson the 20th century history holds regarding US isolationist policies is the period following WW I. Congress refused to ratify US membership in Woodrow Wilson's League of Nations, the US shuttered its borders, and, in general, looked solely after its own issues.
That is, up until a discontented world came calling, and WW II arrived on the doorstep.
Those who follow the credo "somebody has to be on the bottom, but I'm just glad it's not me" apparently fail to see the historical dynamic between the "Haves" and the "Have Nots"--better to aid the barbarians and help improve their lot than have them clamoring at the gate.
Consider the state of affairs in the immediate aftermath of the Soviet Union's disintegration: a huge nuclear arsenal spread across numerous emerging self proclaimed "sovereign" states, each with their own ideas as to what to do with their "newfound" military might. Rest assured, the US government was keenly interested in providing all manner of "aid" to ensure a happy outcome.
The same goes for the more recent nuclear p*ssing contest between India and Pakistan, and the Pakistani's support of US activities in Afghanistan.
And, on the topic of the Muslim world, I venture to say that the primary motivating force of the rank and file of the jihad is identical to that of the disinherited and disenfranchised rabble which carried the Nazi party to power in 1930s Germany: the envy/jealosy/hatred that those with little or nothing hold for those perceived to have most or all. Had the US government not abandoned the Afghani rebels after the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan--just like the US withdrew from European affairs after WW I--the resultant rise to power of the Taliban--like that of the Nazis in Germany--could very well have been averted.
The biggest factor in the present world is, of course, the global nature of modern economics. If any of the markets in Asia, or Europe, or the Americas stumble, so do the others--national boundaries are far less well defined economically as they are geographically. As TJ pointed out, the Chinese are placing huge demands upon the world's oil resources in order to fuel their warp-speed economic growth--economic growth which benefits the economies of many nations, including the US. However, the US, and other nations, have their own petroleum reguirements--requirements, like those of the Chinese, that cannot be met by the resources within their own borders. The sh*t has got to get found, bottled, and divvied up, and preferably in such a way that everybody goes home happy.
In the end, ignoring the rest of the world doesn't make it go away--it just means forfeiting any potential influence over it and virtually ensuring a nasty surprise at some point down the road.
PS--As for the UN, not to throw my dog into that fight, but--rightly or wrongly--the US has historically used the UN alternatively as both a pawn and a doormat in its own political manueverings and, in the process, made a mockery of the UN's very purpose; it's hardly surprising to see more than a little animosity in return.
Granted, the US was a (arguably the) driving force behind the formation and early development of the UN; however, it was ostensibly created as an independant organization, and an eventual reckoning with it's "parent" is inevitable.
To speak for the "other" side, based on history, isolationist policies have typically resulted in more harm than good in the long run and are more impractical--nigh on impossible--than ever in the present world.
Perhaps the greatest lesson the 20th century history holds regarding US isolationist policies is the period following WW I. Congress refused to ratify US membership in Woodrow Wilson's League of Nations, the US shuttered its borders, and, in general, looked solely after its own issues.
That is, up until a discontented world came calling, and WW II arrived on the doorstep.
Those who follow the credo "somebody has to be on the bottom, but I'm just glad it's not me" apparently fail to see the historical dynamic between the "Haves" and the "Have Nots"--better to aid the barbarians and help improve their lot than have them clamoring at the gate.
Consider the state of affairs in the immediate aftermath of the Soviet Union's disintegration: a huge nuclear arsenal spread across numerous emerging self proclaimed "sovereign" states, each with their own ideas as to what to do with their "newfound" military might. Rest assured, the US government was keenly interested in providing all manner of "aid" to ensure a happy outcome.
The same goes for the more recent nuclear p*ssing contest between India and Pakistan, and the Pakistani's support of US activities in Afghanistan.
And, on the topic of the Muslim world, I venture to say that the primary motivating force of the rank and file of the jihad is identical to that of the disinherited and disenfranchised rabble which carried the Nazi party to power in 1930s Germany: the envy/jealosy/hatred that those with little or nothing hold for those perceived to have most or all. Had the US government not abandoned the Afghani rebels after the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan--just like the US withdrew from European affairs after WW I--the resultant rise to power of the Taliban--like that of the Nazis in Germany--could very well have been averted.
The biggest factor in the present world is, of course, the global nature of modern economics. If any of the markets in Asia, or Europe, or the Americas stumble, so do the others--national boundaries are far less well defined economically as they are geographically. As TJ pointed out, the Chinese are placing huge demands upon the world's oil resources in order to fuel their warp-speed economic growth--economic growth which benefits the economies of many nations, including the US. However, the US, and other nations, have their own petroleum reguirements--requirements, like those of the Chinese, that cannot be met by the resources within their own borders. The sh*t has got to get found, bottled, and divvied up, and preferably in such a way that everybody goes home happy.
In the end, ignoring the rest of the world doesn't make it go away--it just means forfeiting any potential influence over it and virtually ensuring a nasty surprise at some point down the road.
PS--As for the UN, not to throw my dog into that fight, but--rightly or wrongly--the US has historically used the UN alternatively as both a pawn and a doormat in its own political manueverings and, in the process, made a mockery of the UN's very purpose; it's hardly surprising to see more than a little animosity in return.
Granted, the US was a (arguably the) driving force behind the formation and early development of the UN; however, it was ostensibly created as an independant organization, and an eventual reckoning with it's "parent" is inevitable.
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I haven't been around the site much lately(I work very hard :crazy
and don't know much about this situation...
But I do know that slorc51 is suffering from a terminal illness and she needs our friendship and patience much more than our censorship.
I ask the mods to please be more understanding in this situation :smile:
I haven't been around the site much lately(I work very hard :crazy
and don't know much about this situation...But I do know that slorc51 is suffering from a terminal illness and she needs our friendship and patience much more than our censorship.
I ask the mods to please be more understanding in this situation :smile:
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And, on the topic of the Muslim world, I venture to say that the primary motivating force of the rank and file of the jihad is identical to that of the disinherited and disenfranchised rabble which carried the Nazi party to power in 1930s Germany: the envy/jealosy/hatred that those with little or nothing hold for those perceived to have most or all. Had the US government not abandoned the Afghani rebels after the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan--just like the US withdrew from European affairs after WW I--the resultant rise to power of the Taliban--like that of the Nazi's in Germany--could very well have been averted.
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a chilling crystalization of middle-eastern politics. none better have i heard 'cept from self-lament. it's a story truly as old (and as basic) as the fabric of human civilization itself. and unfortunately... a "pill" (for many) that has now become a tad too "bitter" to swallow. whether perceived or not, each bomb blast in reality does call upon one to reinvestigate (at least within themselves) the pros and cons of capitalism Vs. marxism/socialism. and i mean the technical definitions of both... not the "ever-skewed" and often "mis-practiced" definitions history has handed down to us.
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And, on the topic of the Muslim world, I venture to say that the primary motivating force of the rank and file of the jihad is identical to that of the disinherited and disenfranchised rabble which carried the Nazi party to power in 1930s Germany: the envy/jealosy/hatred that those with little or nothing hold for those perceived to have most or all. Had the US government not abandoned the Afghani rebels after the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan--just like the US withdrew from European affairs after WW I--the resultant rise to power of the Taliban--like that of the Nazi's in Germany--could very well have been averted.
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a chilling crystalization of middle-eastern politics. none better have i heard 'cept from self-lament. it's a story truly as old (and as basic) as the fabric of human civilization itself. and unfortunately... a "pill" (for many) that has now become a tad too "bitter" to swallow. whether perceived or not, each bomb blast in reality does call upon one to reinvestigate (at least within themselves) the pros and cons of capitalism Vs. marxism/socialism. and i mean the technical definitions of both... not the "ever-skewed" and often "mis-practiced" definitions history has handed down to us.
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