i put about 7 thousand miles on my cbr last season, and it's my first bike, a 96 cbr 600f3. It had been crashed before i got it and the paint is a little nasty but I've been longing to fix it up nice and purty. Here's the question, the odom reads at about 16000 now, one more season and I foresee myself closing in on 25k, which is a point when bikes reaaaally see their resale value plummet. Should I paint it now and try to sell it and move up to a 9? My neighbor rode bother my f3 and a friends zx7r and said how much he hated hte lack of torque (he has a 9r with full akra that dynos approx 140), and how hard you had to be on the throttle ot be going fast. I understand where he's coming from completely. I still have plenty of fun on my f3, and I would seriously like to drag a knee on purpose, but i chicken out when closin in on hard sweepers at 80 plus, i drop it a bit and still rail through the corner, but I don't trust traction on the street. I bought the bike for about 3600 and would like to sell it for at least tha tmuch money- at least, cause i've put a good 4-6 hundred into it now. Just wanted some of your opinions, i know a 9 is fast, but I feel completely capable of controlling the bike- as long as i can control my urge to run it up into the triple digits. thanks for your opinions
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I would seriously like to drag a knee on purpose, but i chicken out when closin in on hard sweepers at 80 plus, i drop it a bit and still rail through the corner, but I don't trust traction on the street.
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If you chicken out in fast sweepers and don't trust traction on the street why are you looking to buy faster/more hp? Ride the piss out of your F3, trash it around, save your money instead of spending it on a new bike payment, when you've saved enough & ridden more buy a new bike & keep the F3 as a track bike.
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i know a 9 is fast, but I feel completely capable of controlling the bike- as long as i can control my urge to run it up into the triple digits
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Please refer to http://esport.sportbikes.com/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=rant2&Number=687&page=&view=&sb=&vc=1 - Post #2, Question #4
Paul
Being short, fat and ugly makes me mean tempered...
I would seriously like to drag a knee on purpose, but i chicken out when closin in on hard sweepers at 80 plus, i drop it a bit and still rail through the corner, but I don't trust traction on the street.
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If you chicken out in fast sweepers and don't trust traction on the street why are you looking to buy faster/more hp? Ride the piss out of your F3, trash it around, save your money instead of spending it on a new bike payment, when you've saved enough & ridden more buy a new bike & keep the F3 as a track bike.
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i know a 9 is fast, but I feel completely capable of controlling the bike- as long as i can control my urge to run it up into the triple digits
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Please refer to http://esport.sportbikes.com/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=rant2&Number=687&page=&view=&sb=&vc=1 - Post #2, Question #4
Paul
Being short, fat and ugly makes me mean tempered...
If you want to drag a knee, there's nothing stopping you from doing such on an f3. If I recall correctly, you have 17" rims on both ends so you can run the most modern tires you want as well. The only real advantage I see in a literbike (I own an R1) versus a decent late model 600 is that they can accelerate a tad faster and you don't have to shift as much for the same effort. Getting a literbike won't help your cornering skills by virtue of higher horsepower...
i'm not just dying for the extrahorsepower, i'm just feeling the need to unload my f3 while it still has some decent resale value still, before the odom kicks 25 k, and before this season ends and i have to sell it next year and take a bigger hit on it. I would really like a gixxer 750 personally. I would also like to maintain some decent speed without pounding the balls out of my motor- i know that's what it's made for and it is a honda, but any serious fahkups and i'm 3g in the hole.
As for the character who posted the thing about busa or 12r, i'm obviously not saying that, it's not my first bike, i've ridden adn with experienced people, I am just tryin to decide if i should move up now or wait.
In actuality I'm basically forced tow ait cause I gotta get the beast runnin when i get home and reinsure and other nonsense. After that I believe I need to replace my timing chain tensioner- i believe, plus my neighbor is a kawi mechanic and he does all the work on my bikes, so I was thinking if it would be easier on him- I'll meet him halfway- hell last season he prolly saved me an easy 400 bucks worth of labor that my local shop would have liked to take off my hands
thanks for the help though
you seek up an emotion sometimes your world is dry
willie
As for the character who posted the thing about busa or 12r, i'm obviously not saying that, it's not my first bike, i've ridden adn with experienced people, I am just tryin to decide if i should move up now or wait.
In actuality I'm basically forced tow ait cause I gotta get the beast runnin when i get home and reinsure and other nonsense. After that I believe I need to replace my timing chain tensioner- i believe, plus my neighbor is a kawi mechanic and he does all the work on my bikes, so I was thinking if it would be easier on him- I'll meet him halfway- hell last season he prolly saved me an easy 400 bucks worth of labor that my local shop would have liked to take off my hands
thanks for the help though
you seek up an emotion sometimes your world is dry
willie
You need some help dude. Mental help. You're not gonna get more than what you paid for your bike, especially those high miles on a dumped 600, even if you put money into it. That's the honest truth and part of the deal when you buy a car or bike. The value only goes down, never up, even if you rod it up. And if you plan on dragging your knee on public roads, you better have the leathers and knee pucks to match cause it's gonna hurt when you put a pair of jeans down at 70 mph and burn a whole right through those and then your knee. I low sided a couple years ago on my 600 with full protective gear and a pair of thick jeans at 30 mph. The result was everything but my right knee which hit first coming out ok. Now my knee cap doesn't tan quite like the left because of scar tissue.
My advice (You don't have to listen) is to keep the 6 hondo another season, keep it for racing on a closed track where you can drag your knees all day long, and you won't be too concerned about pushing the limits and maybe laying down a nasty paint job. Work your butt off, and then get a slightly used 900. It worked for me, and all is well. I went from 600 to my 900 and I'm now getting rid of that for a new RC-51.
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My advice (You don't have to listen) is to keep the 6 hondo another season, keep it for racing on a closed track where you can drag your knees all day long, and you won't be too concerned about pushing the limits and maybe laying down a nasty paint job. Work your butt off, and then get a slightly used 900. It worked for me, and all is well. I went from 600 to my 900 and I'm now getting rid of that for a new RC-51.
Snoochie Boochies!
Willie,
Glad to hear you are thinking about keeping your new bike. I had my 600 for three years and then upgraded to a litre bike. The litre bike is a lot of fun, don't get me wrong, but your money can be better spent elsewhere. Here's my advice, in addition to everyone else's:
1. Keep the bike. Use it. Trust it.
2. Don't worry about getting a better bike, yet.
3. No matter, when you sell a bike (or car) you WILL lose money. Save the money on the payment and get the following:
MSF Experienced riding course, if you haven't.
A good ($800 or so) set of leathers
Instructions on wiring your screws
Get to a racing school and have fun.
I think, after you've done that, you should consider moving up another class. Until then (and perhaps after), you still won't eke out all the performance and fun out of the bike..
Do yourself, and your insurance costs, a favor. Keep the bike for another 2 more seasons...
Glad to hear you are thinking about keeping your new bike. I had my 600 for three years and then upgraded to a litre bike. The litre bike is a lot of fun, don't get me wrong, but your money can be better spent elsewhere. Here's my advice, in addition to everyone else's:
1. Keep the bike. Use it. Trust it.
2. Don't worry about getting a better bike, yet.
3. No matter, when you sell a bike (or car) you WILL lose money. Save the money on the payment and get the following:
MSF Experienced riding course, if you haven't.
A good ($800 or so) set of leathers
Instructions on wiring your screws
Get to a racing school and have fun.
I think, after you've done that, you should consider moving up another class. Until then (and perhaps after), you still won't eke out all the performance and fun out of the bike..
Do yourself, and your insurance costs, a favor. Keep the bike for another 2 more seasons...
Don't drag a knee on public roads for pete sake. The streets are not race tracks. I stick my knee out there but I would never put it on the ground. No need to on the street. And those that do it on the street think they're hot shots, and are no different then the people THEY call squids.
Let other people be right sometimes...it soothes them for being nothing else!
Let other people be right sometimes...it soothes them for being nothing else!
ok terriffic (as o and a would say), i have touched a knee on public roads and will continue to when i know the area that i'm riding in and the riding conditions can suit this kind of activity, please stop throwing the squid term around, i never said i was gonna do it in a wife beater, birkenstocks, skull helmet, and a beer coaster on my knee, just beneath my umbro shorts....i am willing to say that if the definition of a squid is what you just said bud, then i'm gonna say that most people on this board are squids, cause they've all touched a knee on public roads. Plus i'm a college student, working between semesters to make ends meet, so there is no spare cash for a track day, i'd like ot do it for sure, but first would be a track school....but thank you anyway....i guess
willie
willie
NO, not everybody has touch a knee down on public roads. And out of the ones that say they have, i'm guessing a lot of them are pullin' your chain. And I really don't think you are scrapping a knee either. You're still a new rider and I don't think too many new riders are good enough to be putting there knees down, expecially if you've never been on a track to practice putting it down. 7000 miles on a bike isn't what i'd call an experienced rider.
Sorry for being so blunt, and calling it how I see it!
Let other people be right sometimes...it soothes them for being nothing else!
Sorry for being so blunt, and calling it how I see it!
Let other people be right sometimes...it soothes them for being nothing else!
What's the big deal whith dragging a knee? Shouldn't you be more concerned with how your entrance and exit is set up than your knee getting down??? A knee down doesn't make you fast!
Good decisions and experienced riding technique makes you fast. Being comfortable on the bike you ride makes you fast. Learning to ride never ends!!!!
Good decisions and experienced riding technique makes you fast. Being comfortable on the bike you ride makes you fast. Learning to ride never ends!!!!
Willie,
You very well might get more for your bike than you paid for, then again maybe not.It depends on the buyer and how much of a hurry you are to sell the F3. I think it's a killer bike. My roomate has a F3 and he's right there with me on my 929 in the tight stuff. If you have the correct gear and know the roads dragin your knee will come faster on your well know F3 than a liter bike. I also find it easier to drag my knee on a 25-30 mph (posted corners) at 60-70 mphs than the faster high speed sweepers. I don't recommend dragin your knee on public roads (although I have) you never know the condition (dirt, gravel, new pot holes, roadkill, or debrie)of the road unless you pre scout the corner first. My 2 cents... ride the piss out of your F3 and then sell it. It sounds like you got a great deal on your bike so you won't lose to much $$$ by just riding it.
Later,
Rob
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You very well might get more for your bike than you paid for, then again maybe not.It depends on the buyer and how much of a hurry you are to sell the F3. I think it's a killer bike. My roomate has a F3 and he's right there with me on my 929 in the tight stuff. If you have the correct gear and know the roads dragin your knee will come faster on your well know F3 than a liter bike. I also find it easier to drag my knee on a 25-30 mph (posted corners) at 60-70 mphs than the faster high speed sweepers. I don't recommend dragin your knee on public roads (although I have) you never know the condition (dirt, gravel, new pot holes, roadkill, or debrie)of the road unless you pre scout the corner first. My 2 cents... ride the piss out of your F3 and then sell it. It sounds like you got a great deal on your bike so you won't lose to much $$$ by just riding it.
Later,
Rob
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believe me i would not be doing anything TOO stupid in areas i do not know, i do not have a death wish and i don't want to slide into a ditch at 70. when i actually attempt this sh!t it will be in an area i've ridden probably close to 100 times and the road conditions will be checked first, lots of precaution, but better safe than sorry. and i am goin to keep my f3, i may just keep it till it dies, who knows, i've heard of f3s reaching over 50k miles....thats a lot of riding that i would have on my plate
! don't get all uptight i'm not a jackass squid wheelying through traffic, is it dangerous to lay a bike over that far- yes, if i am taught how by my neighbor- exracer through riding time near him, then there is no problem wiht it- no flaming from jmoney will stop me from doing what i want, even though he is apparently mr safety man hehe, guess some guys never bring their bikes above 55 mph...hooray for them- here's your gold star.
willie
! don't get all uptight i'm not a jackass squid wheelying through traffic, is it dangerous to lay a bike over that far- yes, if i am taught how by my neighbor- exracer through riding time near him, then there is no problem wiht it- no flaming from jmoney will stop me from doing what i want, even though he is apparently mr safety man hehe, guess some guys never bring their bikes above 55 mph...hooray for them- here's your gold star.willie
lol...kids these days. I'm not what you'd call a safety nut believe me. Some riders that are members to this site will tell you that, but i'm trying to save you from letting your inexperienced mind suck you into dumb sh-t.
Let other people be right sometimes...it soothes them for being nothing else!
Let other people be right sometimes...it soothes them for being nothing else!
Yup, I can back Jmoney on that. Even he does stupid shite on the road, but nothing retarded like dragging a knee. It proves nothing and serves no purpose on public roads. No offense, but I can't wait to see one of those classic posts "I crashed today!" with your name behind it. Prove us all wrong 365 days from now and I'll ride my bike as far as it takes to shake your hand and give you a pat on the back.
Snoochie Boochies!
Snoochie Boochies!
thanks firerr, make it in december and come on up to buffalo...if i stay up if you make it through buffalo upright, i'll pat you on the back too and say...now go the F*ck home! hehe, just kidding, i think i would like no more replies on this thread....thanks a bunch
and both of you, i'm just up for some good natured ribbing, don't take it personal...
--furthermore, i find it amusing that you would find it funny to see a post by my name explaining that i crashed...if i do crash, no one that i know posts at this board so i would just disappear for a while...if i died, i would disappear permanently and you would not know what happened to me...thanks for the bid of good luck bud.
willie
if you make it through buffalo upright, i'll pat you on the back too and say...now go the F*ck home! hehe, just kidding, i think i would like no more replies on this thread....thanks a bunchand both of you, i'm just up for some good natured ribbing, don't take it personal...
--furthermore, i find it amusing that you would find it funny to see a post by my name explaining that i crashed...if i do crash, no one that i know posts at this board so i would just disappear for a while...if i died, i would disappear permanently and you would not know what happened to me...thanks for the bid of good luck bud.
willie
I don't take any offense cause it's no sweat off my balls, but it's your attitude. Riding bikes has so much more to offer than what you've experienced so far in one season of riding. I've had too many buddies who say the things you do, try to pull wheelies through the gears and drag knees on the open road go down so hard that they can't ride anymore. Believe me, there is nothing worse than getting a call from a friend that goes along these lines.
"Dude, John Doe bit it hard last night and right now he's undergoing surgery to stop some internal bleeding, and clean the road rash out of his hands and knees. He says he wants all his friends and family to come down tonight and cheer him up."
It's happened to me twice. I'm just saying that I hope it never happens to you. Losing a riding buddy is a horrible thing. As time goes on you will see this stuff and it will make you a better rider, but don't let it be you who teaches all of your friends the hard lessons of motorcycling when there are so many great ones to be had.
Oh yeah, you hold up your end of the bargain (NO CRASHING!) and I'll pick your ass up on my way to the Green mountains of Vermont after I graduate from College. And unless you plan on riding in the snow, we'd better make it summer. I'm thinking mid-August.
Snoochie Boochies!
"Dude, John Doe bit it hard last night and right now he's undergoing surgery to stop some internal bleeding, and clean the road rash out of his hands and knees. He says he wants all his friends and family to come down tonight and cheer him up."
It's happened to me twice. I'm just saying that I hope it never happens to you. Losing a riding buddy is a horrible thing. As time goes on you will see this stuff and it will make you a better rider, but don't let it be you who teaches all of your friends the hard lessons of motorcycling when there are so many great ones to be had.
Oh yeah, you hold up your end of the bargain (NO CRASHING!) and I'll pick your ass up on my way to the Green mountains of Vermont after I graduate from College. And unless you plan on riding in the snow, we'd better make it summer. I'm thinking mid-August.
Snoochie Boochies!
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