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post #11 of 16 (permalink) Old 12-05-2008, 04:37 PM
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good question. who knows...? it may actually be to fiat's benefit that they DON'T have a stateside presence. no stateside presence means their profit model hasn't been allowed to become dependant on the flaky U.S. consumer. dependance developed on the U.S. consumer's perhaps reckless (and thus unsustainable) buying habits is what now see's the japanese economy in tatters. no job ='s no money. no money ='s no mass consumption of imports like sony, honda, toshiba, toyota, nintendo, nissan, seiko, sega, etc. etc. that has tokyo pooping it's collective kimonos.

It seems from news reports that Italy is in good shape generally, and since fiat managed to digest it's swallowing of ALFA, things are improving there as well.

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WAHHOOO... go italian wisdom...!!!

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WAHHOOO... go italian wisdom...!!!
I followed Italian cars for a long time, still do, to some degree. Thing was, the government, back in the nineties, decided to divest itself of every commercial enterprise it had nationalized. ALFA is something of a national icon, and didn't want it taken over by a foreign company, so Gianni Agnelli bought it. Damn near killed fiat group along with it as well, and they saw daylight just recently. The banks over there, along with the corporations tightly knit themselves together by sharing board members, so they all pretty much know everything going on and react to it efficiently, kinda like a keiretsu, but with lots of violins and saxophones (cue godfather theme) and the banks concentrated on one thing, and one thing only for the past ten years- Economic Stability, pretty much at the expense of everything else. Seems to have worked, they're expected to make it past the credit crunch and the decline in car sales in the western markets with little damage.. Impressive, imho, considering that historically, political chaos, mangement by crisis, and failed leadership coalitions had been the name of the game there since WW2.


oh, and Carlo Abarth won five world motorcycle championships in the fifties..Don't know if they were on yamahas or not.

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and the banks concentrated on one thing, and one thing only for the past ten years- Economic Stability, pretty much at the expense of everything else.
sounds like marching orders for our banks till 2018...

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IIRC: Fiat is not doing well at all. They've not been doing well for quite some time now.

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they're nowhere near as bad as G.M. or chrysler, believe me.

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