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post #1 of 41 (permalink) Old 10-15-2002, 05:42 AM Thread Starter
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Using rear brake

I've done a couple of track days this summer, and the instructors gave conflicting opinions on using the rear brake; Some advised using it, while others advised against it. I use the rear brake and feel pretty comfortable with it. What do you guys do - rear brake or not? Anyone have any suggestions on using the rear brake more effectively?

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rear brake not used

I personally do not use the rear brake. I think it's just the making of a highside if done incorrectly. The really fast guys that race all the time...self-induce rear tire slide to get the bike pointed down the track in the right direction.

THe front brake has 90% of your braking power. The rear brake is pretty much usless by itself. In race school, I was taught NEVER to use the rear brake.

But if you feel comfortable using the rear brake, I won't tell you not to use it.

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Re: rear brake not used

if your bike is capable of doing a stoppie, how can the front brake not deliver 100% of your stopping power?

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Re: rear brake not used

I'm fully confident that the stock brake on the 954 can deliver 100% of the braking power necessary, especially after only 2 track days worth of experience. Way back in the day, however, I use to ride dirt bikes and have become accustomed to using the rear brake. On the road, and track, itís kind of a hard habit to break and I realize that rear braking into the turn-in point could result in a high side if the tire hooks up late. On the track I try and get the bike fully settled before turn-in. On the street, in the rare situation that the rear breaks loose, I ride it out until I feel confident that the rear will hook up without ejecting me.

I guess my question is if I go into a turn a little loose what can be done to prevent a high side? For example, can setting the steering damper firm help prevent a high side?


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Re: rear brake not used

The rear brake can help shed speed midcorner safer than with the front.

Although the only time I really use the rear is to do a brake slide[img]/images/icons/cool.gif[/img]

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post #6 of 41 (permalink) Old 10-17-2002, 05:45 PM
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Re: rear brake not used

I feel that my bike turns in quicker when I usa the rear brake along with more front brake. I also feel that I have more control, but every one I know that rides doesnt use it at all.

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Re: rear brake not used

I'm not sure I agree that using the rear brake is a safer way to shed speed mid-corner. You have much less feel and control with your foot and I'd be very reluctant to touch the rear brake after I'm already turned-in, your just begging for a highside. I think you're safer just doing nothing, maintain a constant throttle and look through your turn.
When I'm racing I trail brake into almost every corner, the key is to be smooth in applying and releasing the brakes. As soon as I'm off the brakes I get on the gas and start accelerating. The bike is much more stable if you're on the gas, if you try to coast or let off the throttle in a turn the bike feels like a dump truck.
I think 99% of the time guys feel the need to brake or close the throttle really don't need to, as Keith Code says its just a survival reaction. If you just relax and look through the turn while maintaining a constant throttle you can make it through just fine. The trick is just knowing the limits of yourself and your bike, most track day riders won't lean their bike nearly as far as they could.

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Re: rear brake not used

I'd have to agree, any braking input, front or rear, mid corner is asking for trouble IMO. Close throttle-brake/downshift-open throttle-turn.

I see no harm in using the rear brake along with the front before your turn-in point, I just don't need to with the RCs brakes.



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Re: rear brake not used

Bare in mind I was not claiming to be an expert in anyway.
It's just what I do. I've had pretty good luck so far[img]/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img][knocking on wood][img]/images/icons/crazy.gif[/img]
And I was refering to trail braking rather than hiting the brake mid coner. Just to clearify

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Re: rear brake not used

Lordjim, do you open the throttle before you turn-in? I find it take a lot more force to turn the bike in with the throttle open. I start opening the throttle and accelerating after I'm done with my steering input, but thats just me. This is on the track mind you, on the street I think I almost always on the gas during my turn-in.

Notto, I wasn't saying you're wrong and i'm sorry if it sounded that way, everyone has their own style. I just wanted to clarify for some of the less experienced track riders that braking in a turn takes a very soft touch. I wouldn't recommend for anyone who is just learning to ride on the track to use any brakes past their turn-in point.
If you trail brake with the rear then you've got bigger balls than me, I trail with the front because I have more feel using my hand than with my foot on the rear brake. I've have some success racing as an amateur and I've even won a few races and I think the only time I touch the rear brake is when I go sight seeing off the track...not that it happens very often [img]/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

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